public opinion poll

[low_delta]

[Poll #5035]

Please let your friends know about my poll. I want a large cross-section of respondents.

Comments

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[whorlpool.livejournal.com]

I think there should be more options.

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[i.livejournal.com]

agreed

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[low-delta.livejournal.com]

Present some and I will create a new poll. Those were all I could think of at the time.

I was trying to distill sentiment.

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[low-delta.livejournal.com]

Actually, there *are* more options. It's just that nobody knows what they are yet.

[cynnerth.livejournal.com]

At the risk of sounding naive....isn't there some other way of achieving those first two objectives?

when did you stop beating your wife?

[vlinker.livejournal.com]

sorry, no offense......but the poll needs more options......at least, the third option should be changed to "Military action should not be undertaken."........a fourth option, "Military action should be undertaken to accomplish other objectives"....could be added.....

I can't take the poll at this time......

no offense taken

[low-delta.livejournal.com]

I was hoping that people with "other" opinions would add them here in the commments.

Those were the only three actions I could think of that people were in favor of because they seemed to have objectives. And the only objectives that I could think of.

Please suggest some other actions with objectives that I may include in another poll. (whether you agree with them or not)

Re: no offense taken

[vlinker.livejournal.com]

If the poll is for military action, the two actions i suggested should be added.......

one could add, "Military action should be undertaken to isolate the countries harboring terrorists". Just the old fashion siege. Contain and then starve them out.

Re: no offense taken

[low-delta.livejournal.com]

That one should have fallen under the first choice. I should have phrased it better, and included that the message was to the countries as well as the terrorists themselves.

That was my intent, anyway.

I'll try to include an "other" choice next time.

[cath555.livejournal.com]

one option could be "military action should be undertaken ONLY once all diplomatic/other avenues have been exhausted"

thanks

[low-delta.livejournal.com]

That is a good one, but what would those diplomatic/other avenues be?

I only included answers that had clear objectives.

I'll run the poll again tomorrow with any suggestions I get.

Re: thanks

[cath555.livejournal.com]

hmmm... well, maybe the current negotiations taking place through pakistan and any other "friends" of the taliban? it's kind of hard to "negotiate" with a fundamentalist group like the tliban, but they are going thorugh the motions... while it really is probably all just talk, and they're not going to produce him, you never know.

[pixelshim.livejournal.com]

ditto on more options.

I'd vote for military action only under the auspices of the United Nations

[low-delta.livejournal.com]

I'll try to include that option.

Hey

[benoithq.livejournal.com]

Long time no post.

1.
I know a bit about polls, the trick is to let the questions not lead or complement each other.
For example, here, the first two are the same, because it is only a matter of opinion if Taliban are the responsible terrorists or not.
A clear poll either is about military intervention, or about the nature of terrorism, not both since both are core issues.
2.
There must be an opposite option to each, like here, option "4 : absolutely no military action".
3.
Try not to include questions dependant on specialised knowledge, here in Q3, one must understand that Intelligence, when acted upon, is a viable military option.
Like the Teth offensive in summer 68, it smoked out the Vietcong, killed 80000 of them, and forced the entry of North Vietnam with conventionnal divisions, a goal publically wished for by the US.

You see the irony here btw : in polls as in war, we must be careful with what we wish for...
But it is a good idea, from now on I will visit you more often, and fill all your polls !

Bye.

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[benoithq.livejournal.com]

Oups, I didn't read all the others, I repeat some of their suggestions !
Oh well
Ok
1.
the military intervention should aim for the liberation of afghanistan
2.
by the current opposion in the Nortern Alliance, with state of the art close air support from the US, on their demand, unlimited as would be with US Ground troops.
The integration of US ground forces to the Northern Alliance, but only of the kind and quantity at the request of the Alliance.
3.
The commitment of the US to never let down the opposition in Afghanistan, especially if the Taliban get nukes of their own.
4.
The commitment that the 5 million starving will be taken care for.

Ok, this 4 is important, and the Taliban planned it and will blame the US for it.
They already sent the deadwood weak to die in the moutains.
With the winter ahead, even if the Taliban were to be defeated tomorrow, there are 2 million persons with food for 1-2 weeks, that's 300,000 dead, that is done, too late.
The UN was feeding 2 1/2 million of them, they were kicked out, so as to steal the food stocks.
That's a lot of dead folks.

Fell free to distribute this, I'm too overwhelmed.
And at Anarchy, I just remembered, there is no archive, all I tried to teach will be lost.

Ok, gotta go, 17:20 here, there's a kid at my office, must check on him, his best friend is missing in the WTC, and the friend's mom calls him at 17:00.
No, not missing, "missed, right ?
This is one small world.

Re: Hey

[low-delta.livejournal.com]

I appreciate your thoughts.

I'm not sure if I'm going to bother with a poll again.

We could use your help over at endtheterror.

Thanks

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[benoithq.livejournal.com]

It's just that I am so overwhelmed.

For example, a person as well meaning as Ana Voog, quotes Noam Chomsky.
Well, Noam Chomsky is not one of the good guys.

He backed the Pol Pot and the Kmer Rouge, years after the killing fields were digged, and led a very effective revisionnist-history mouvement to cast doubt on the factual genocide of 2.000.000 cambodgians, while the truth was, more digging could not go well in mine fields.

Also I actually read of Chomsky on other subjects, and his tactic is just to keep lying about things, over decades.

In 25 yrs, the only place I found some truth, in a consistant manner, is The Economist, and even them, they can ignore an issue.

So there.
Bye.

Re: Hey

[low-delta.livejournal.com]

What I was attempting with the poll was to include objectives. (Whether that was right or wrong.)

The first two were not the same. I didn't elaborate on those choices. Action on the Taliban is not dependent on whether they were responsible for the attacks.

*shrug*

I tried.

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[benoithq.livejournal.com]

I can say that I picked the first two, based on my information then.
Besides, now an Hussein trail seems to heat up, the two countries, or factions within, would have coordinated.

You did nothing wrong, come on.