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There is certain controversy about the airliner that was shupposed to have hit the Pentagon on September 11th. I saw a website about this, back in late '01 or early '02. Earlier this week, I was wondering what ever happened to that controversy, then the ghost of Zuul posted this film. Still going on. I think it was under the radar because it sounds (on the surface) like a classic "conspiracy theory."

But nothing there really sounds crackpot to me. I'd be interested in hearing if anyone can provide any information to debunk this account.

(two sites, same film)
http://www.freedomunderground.org/memoryhole/pentagon121.swf
http://pentagonstrike.co.uk/pentagon.htm

When that other account was first posted by a friend, one of her friends posted a how dare you! hundreds of people were killed there, and my husband was there and he saw the plane! sort of reply. Still doesn't answer the question of how a giant Boeing 757 could hit a building and leave no hole. The previous account I mentioned asked why a jet with a wingspan of hundreds of feet could have left a collapsed wall behind that was no more than 70 feet wide. In this one, they show pictures of before the fire caused that wall to collapse.

For those of you without the bandwidth to view the film, it shows photos of the aftermath, with no sign of a jet airliner - no giant hole, crater in the lawn or aircraft debris of any kind (at the site or being removed). Also includes eyewitness accounts who describe a small airplane, and a secondary explosion, as well as one person who recognized the smell of explosives, and not jet fuel.

So what do you think?

Date: 2004-09-04 02:54 am (UTC)From: [identity profile] ghostofzuul.livejournal.com
have you seen 9/11 the road to tyranny? if not i can try and get you a copy...

there's a tremendous amount of info out there about this and lots of other things from that day that just don't add up...

condi rice was on cspan and said something about "we didn't know a missle was going to hit the building" talking about the pentagon... some people have it on tape but the transcript and the tape are unavailable from cspan for some reason

sort of like how jfk's radio transmissions and the faa radar and weather radar and first few news reports about jfk jr's flight are unavailabe...

Date: 2004-09-04 03:46 am (UTC)From: [identity profile] i.livejournal.com
i've seen several sites dealing with this. snopes has no debunking of it, but i seem to remember reading something somewhere. i'll look.

Date: 2004-09-04 04:18 am (UTC)From: [identity profile] marswalker.livejournal.com
I've been digging around for a bit. Snopes and several other sites do have "debunkings" of the missile theory - but I haven't yet seen a single image that shows anything that resembles a 757 jet airliner anywhere even near the Pentagon. There is a series of photos on a CNN site that show an explosion and flames and aftermath, but again, nothing resembling anything - not even wreckage - of a jet airliner. The CNN page even states that the airliner hit ground before hitting pentagon. EVEN STILL... there is no wreckage - no wing bits, no tail bits, nothing - that resembles airliner.

Taking it a step farther - in the WTC footage you could clearly see that one of the engines went clear through the second tower and out the other side. This would suggest we'd see impacts from the jet engines on either side of the main impact... and there are none. Even if the plane bounced before hitting, the wings would have sheared off, either on bouncing or on impact with the buildings, and there's no sign of that either.

I read a claim that the fusilage made it through almost to the core. Surely upon hitting steel re-inforced concrete the cockpit crumpled like an alunminium cigar tube in a hydrolic press, even as it began to enter the building.

If the state department or war department had photos clearly debunking this you'd think they'd have published them on their own.

Date: 2004-09-04 03:17 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] wizzy.livejournal.com
I WATCHED IT!! SIMPLY AMAZING!! Goes to show: We see things on the news and listen to what they tell us and sometimes we take it all in as fact without even considering the evidence or lack of. AMAZING!!!

Date: 2004-09-07 02:31 pm (UTC)From: (Anonymous)
that anyone who actually believes this crap should be tried for treason

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