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article by James Boward at SFGate.com

Can anyone provide any sort of rationale at all for removing protesters from the general vicinity of the president?


Here are some quotes from the article that I thought were especially interesting:

Local police, acting under Secret Service orders, established a "free-speech zone" half a mile from where Bush would speak.

On May 30, 2002, Ashcroft effectively abolished restrictions on FBI surveillance of Americans' everyday lives first imposed in 1976. One FBI internal newsletter encouraged FBI agents to conduct more interviews with antiwar activists "for plenty of reasons, chief of which it will enhance the paranoia endemic in such circles and will further service to get the point across that there is an FBI agent behind every mailbox."

The FBI took a shotgun approach toward protesters partly because of the FBI's "belief that dissident speech and association should be prevented because they were incipient steps toward the possible ultimate commission of act which might be criminal," according to a Senate report.

On Nov. 23 news broke that the FBI is actively conducting surveillance of antiwar demonstrators, supposedly to "blunt potential violence by extremist elements," according to a Reuters interview with a federal law enforcement official.

Given the FBI's expansive definition of "potential violence" in the past, this is a net that could catch almost any group or individual who falls into official disfavor.


And finally...

But the Justice Department -- in the person of U.S. Attorney Strom Thurmond Jr. -- quickly jumped in, charging Bursey with violating a rarely enforced federal law regarding "entering a restricted area around the president of the United States."


I would guess that that charge is a felony offense, removing the offending liberal from the voter rolls.

Date: 2004-01-07 09:05 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] gr8cpa.livejournal.com
*shudder* Reminds me of the 1960's. Here we go again. I can think of no reason why the president should be shielded from Americans holding signs within his range of view. I attended a Clinton rally in 1996, even shook his hand. He drove right by protesters. Secret Service agents were everywhere, but that was fine. His limo was bullet-proof. He could read the signs. Big deal.

Date: 2004-01-08 12:54 pm (UTC)From: [personal profile] dwivian
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I watched people attempt to protest when Clinton was in power, and they were herded off by the Secret Service, even then. It's been status-quo since at least as far back as Jimmy Carter. The protection zones got more critical after the assassination attempt on President Reagan, and the Secret Service has kept those zones tighter and tighter every administration.

Such is life, when those in power are elected and always at risk to opposition advocates with the potential for violence. Funny that the last 'real' attempt was by someone wanting to impress an actress....

Date: 2004-01-08 01:13 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] gr8cpa.livejournal.com
heh. You know, after I shook his hand, my daughter and I were elbowed away by the Secret Service before we could shake Al Gore's hand. So they're on the job, that's for sure.

Date: 2004-01-08 01:16 pm (UTC)From: [personal profile] dwivian
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Maybe the secret service just don't want Al Gore touching people? They wouldn't let our group near him, either.... Does he fear catching colds? :)

Date: 2004-01-08 01:38 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] gr8cpa.livejournal.com
Nah. My husband shook Al's hand; but he was just ahead of us on the rope line-up. Guess I looked threatening to them! yeah, right.

Date: 2004-01-08 01:47 pm (UTC)From: [personal profile] dwivian
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Hm..... maybe you looked like you worked for an oil company.....

Date: 2004-01-08 03:48 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] gr8cpa.livejournal.com
hardly - ha ha. BTW, I looked up the definition of "fascism" after I read your exchange with [livejournal.com profile] angst_is_fun. You're dead-on.

fascism
n.
often Fascism
A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.
Oppressive, dictatorial control.
(Source: Dictionary.com)

Very good arguments. Made me think. And I learned something.


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