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low_delta ([personal profile] low_delta) wrote2002-05-17 01:20 pm

a case for parental disinvolvement

When I was a kid, I played baseball for a summer. My mom didn't come to my games. I didn't care. I was playing baseball. It was my time. Mom was around when I was home. Now, you don't go by a playing field without seeing all the parents gathered around, cheering for their children. Seems like a good thing, but when these kids need to get a way from their parents, where do they go? Do the kids have any structured activities or do they just hang out at the mall or on the street and get in trouble?

And why are the parents there? Just because all the other parents are there? Because that's their only time with the kid? Because they're really interested?

[identity profile] ravengirl.livejournal.com 2002-05-17 11:23 am (UTC)(link)
pretty good points~
i know i didn't always want the pressure of having
MY folks around when i was doin' schtuff like soccer and the like
and they weren't there for the most part~ just for "special" games~

Parents are judging each other all the time these days

[identity profile] cynnerth.livejournal.com 2002-05-17 11:32 am (UTC)(link)
I was at the soccer games for Mike for two reasons. One was that he couldn't get there without a ride, and also because you're viewed as a bad parent if you just drop your kid off and go get other things done while they play.

Personally, I think you'd be hard pressed to find a kid who cried because Mommy wasn't there to see him/her hit a homerun. All he/she really needs is the cheers and back slaps of team mates and coaches. Isn't it kind of fun to retell your happy story over and over...first to Mom and Dad when you get home, and later to other people who weren't there to see it?

It matters to kids that their parents are involved and interested in what they do, but I agree with you...it's been blown waaay out of proportion. Kids need recreational time away from their parents, not just academic time away.

[identity profile] zitronenhai.livejournal.com 2002-05-17 11:32 am (UTC)(link)
I think some parents go to avoid other kids' parents noticing that they're not there. I think some parents go because the parenting magazines tell them to. I think some parents go so they can scream at little Johnny, because failure is not an option. And I think some parents go because they miss their kids.

I would purposely not tell my mother about most of the choir shows until the night of, if I need a ride. I didn't want her to be there all the time. I wanted to be on my own a little. And I liked it. It didn't hurt me at all.

[identity profile] melonaise.livejournal.com 2002-05-17 11:33 am (UTC)(link)
Sometimes it's more trouble to drive home and back again to pick them up, especially if you don't know when the game is going to end.

[identity profile] shoo.livejournal.com 2002-05-17 11:50 am (UTC)(link)
OUTSTANDING observation there Marc...
I loved to watch my kids play and practice baseball...I was the one to drive them so I just hung out until it was time to get them home. We used to get pizza after games and make a good time out of it.

When my kids joined golf, I started to go for the same reasons...I really do love to watch the kids play (but from a far) now I just drop them off with some $$ s they can hang out and be kids.

I found that a lot of kids were sad and felt left out when their parents did not go...
I guess it depends...

slap me now...

[identity profile] shoo.livejournal.com 2002-05-17 11:54 am (UTC)(link)
I meant to say KEVIN!!!

[identity profile] low-delta.livejournal.com 2002-05-17 12:03 pm (UTC)(link)
It depends, of course. You can't fault a parent for wanting to be there if she really does enjoy watching her kid - especially if the kid enjoys her there.

But the point of kids needing structured time to themselves is an important one, I think. Some of them do just fine, though. It depends on the kid, but that kid is not the most common kind.

Thanks Birdy - ooops! I mean Shoo!

[identity profile] eyelid.livejournal.com 2002-05-17 12:21 pm (UTC)(link)
Probably depends on the kid....

I liked having my parents there because I felt like someone cared :) Of course, my dad used to coach my soccer team, so that wasn't usually an issue.

[identity profile] serendipity.livejournal.com 2002-05-17 01:54 pm (UTC)(link)
I think it should be left to the preference of the kid. Sometimes The Serendipity Kid wants me to stay, sometimes she wants her independence. Whenever possible, I honor her preference.

And, yes, it's a shame that far more stuff for kids these days is structured in a way that requires parental supervision. But much of that is due to serious problems relating to both adult and juvenile crime. Kids are simply no longer free to hang around most neighborhoods without a parent there, as we were when kids. Even just walking to school, even in a relatively low-crime suburban neighborhood, is not something most parents are willing to let their young children do, as we did. I was quite young when I walked a mile with a friend to the nearest shopping area, and not much older when I took public buses, but I doubt I'll let The Kid do the same until she's considerably older.

However, on the other hand, improvements have been made to structured activities as well, both for pure fun as well as for educational purposes. So it's not all bad.

[identity profile] karmacoma.livejournal.com 2002-05-21 08:19 am (UTC)(link)
dad came to my soccer games, but his crossed arms and stony face told me he'd rather be elsewhere.

hi, i'm david, and i come to you through majorweather (http://www.livejournal.com/~majorweather)'s journal.

[identity profile] low-delta.livejournal.com 2002-05-21 10:12 pm (UTC)(link)
Sounds like he should have been elsewhere.

Hi david!